Evangelization and New Atheist (part one)

The problem: New atheists claim that religion is the main reason for violence, and creating a culturally submissive society.

First let me note, that I am a christian, who does not favor the new atheist movement. I am already aware of this, it is not a bias.

A recurring argument in recent  best-selling books  (i.e. Harris, Hitchens, and Dawkins)  in defense of atheism is that Christianity is directly responsible for causing its followers to become violent and using their faith as a justification.

As Steven Pinker writes,

“the Judeo-Christian God once commanded his people to massacre Midianites, stone prostitutes, execute homosexuals, slay heretics and infidels, throw Protestants out  of windows, withhold medicine from dying children, and crash airplanes into skyscrapers.”

As well as other prolific atheist such as Richard Dawkins, a very opinionated critic of  Christian theism, points out:

“…The human psyche has two great sicknesses: the urge to carry vendetta across generations. And the tendency to fasten group labels on people rather than see them as individuals. Abrahamic religion gives strong sanction to both. Only the willfully blind could fail to implicate the divisive force of religion in most, if not all, of the violent enmities in the world today.”

The clarification: Now this new Atheistic movement is not arguing that violence results when Christians engage in war because the right conditions are in place for a defensive strategy to justify political ends, but that the teachings of monotheism, or otherwise, are responsible for steering what are otherwise well-meaning persons down the path of violence.

Why I’m not creating a straw man here.

Steven Weinberg, another vociferous atheist,  “Good people will do good things, and bad people will do bad things. But for good people to do bad things—that takes religion.” 

Evangelization: Is it the problem?

Let’s first address that the recent events in enculturation, and various critiques  have made it easy for Christians  to lose their confidence when explaining their faith. 

Christian evangelism has been proceeded by horrible events. 

Regina Schwartz in her words

“Monotheism has inevitably brought a violent legacy to the west”

Evangelization and Atheisism: What needs to be kept in mind.

Undoubtedly many Christians have done horrible thing.

Critics must demonstrate that a healthy relationship with faith is responsible for causing violence, not just showing a mere corelation.


Evangenlization: Defense I

  • The historical amount of good nature of christian activity cannot be denied. 

Atheist Michael Shermer in his own words

“for every one of these grand tragedies there are ten thousand acts of personal kindness and social good that go unreported…Religion, like all social institutions of such historical depth and cultural impact, cannot be reduced  to an unambiguous evil.”

  • In other words it’s unfair to give credit to an idea ,based on exceptions not rules, to new atheist simply attributing that the Christian faith causes violence

Evangenlization: Defense II

These horrific events are open to a mix of historical interpretations. Aside from the problem of identifying who is spiritually a christian and who is not, is it very difficult to pinpoint the exact cause of warfare due to the multifaceted nature of warfare. War is usually explained in terms of social, politcal, and economic factors, not religious ones.

Evangenlization: Defense III (Apologetics) 

Without God, what is Good? Without an overarching moral superiority is their anyone who actually does wrong? It would be like grading a paper without a grading scale.

Continuing with this idea: Who is right and who is wrong. 

Mother Theresa was thought to be someone who did a lot of good, but others say she was having a poor effect on India’s political system. the same people thought her resources could have been used for other “more important” issues.

New Atheism: Why just religion? 

“The atheistic argument from history is no more effective than responding that atheism has been directly responsible for causing  violence. Indeed, some atheists, such as Lenin, demanded that protracted forms of violence needed be to be used in the name of atheist philosophies to eliminate all religions off the face of the earth. The same could be said about politics. In Latin America, millions of people supposedly “disappeared” in the words of extreme rightwing politicians. In Cambodia, Pol Pot was responsible for killing millions of innocent persons in the name of socialism. But no political atheist would argue that politics is intrinsically evil and ought to be done away with. The same could be said about science. No scientifically informed atheist would claim that science is intrinsically evil just because a few scientists were responsible for creating weapons of mass destruction and other torture tactics—like napalm.Through it all, the lesson to be learned is that every single human institution, including Christianity, can be utilized for evil ends when it is abused. As theologian Alister McGrath has observed,

“All ideals—divine, transcendent, human or invented—are capable of being abused. That’s just the way human nature is. And knowing this, we need to work out what to do about it rather than lashing out uncritically at religion.””

Evangenlization: Defense IV

Many of traditional stereotypes of about christian causes violence are unjustifiable: the amount of people killed during the Spanish inquisition, Salem,  and the relationship of slaves and Christianity was wrong. Looking at the last example historians now know that 

  • The Christian faith originated in a time and place 
  • And later developed in a world that was already teeming with slavery. Indeed, the entire history of  humanity is a history of slavery
  •  Certain christian groups opposed to slavery (i.e St. Justin Martyr and St. Patrick)

Historian Paul Johnson writes

  • “Christianity was the only organized religion in the world that declared the diminution, if not the final elimination, of slavery  to be meritorious.”
a-dabundantiam

hatefulatheist:
One of the quickest ways to make a Christian stumble when they start talking about a biblical view of marriage is to ask them what the bible’s view on polygamy is. Unless of course they are a Mormon in which case you’ve got a whole other debate to get in to.

The bible makes no attempt to hide the personal sometime questionable history and behavior of the biblical figures. Just because the Bible records polygamous relationships does not mean that God approves of such things.

a-dabundantiam

hatefulatheist:

One of the quickest ways to make a Christian stumble when they start talking about a biblical view of marriage is to ask them what the bible’s view on polygamy is. Unless of course they are a Mormon in which case you’ve got a whole other debate to get in to.

The bible makes no attempt to hide the personal sometime questionable history and behavior of the biblical figures. Just because the Bible records polygamous relationships does not mean that God approves of such things.

a-dabundantiam

dogon13:
So you still think homosexuality is a sin…


http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-5906.2008.00416.x/abstract  
http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/BloodBloodProducts/QuestionsaboutBlood/default.htm 
http://excel.office.live.com/x/ExcelView.aspx?FBsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fattachments%2Fdoc_preview.php%3Fmid%3Did.128849257257521%26id%3Ddba0a9589447dcfe0863c8156a855b8b%26metadata&access_token=1074859187%3AAQBzDaJp9yWfzAm1&title=gayhealth 
http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=481699
http://www.springerlink.com/content/r6q02560022h4276/?=eec723e2c1174d1eb9c1eef2d9fe6928&pi=6&MUD=MP
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9222793?dopt=Abstract
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007_docs/CameronHomosexualFootprint.pdf

a-dabundantiam


dogon13
:

So you still think homosexuality is a sin…

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-5906.2008.00416.x/abstract  

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/BloodBloodProducts/QuestionsaboutBlood/default.htm 

http://excel.office.live.com/x/ExcelView.aspx?FBsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fattachments%2Fdoc_preview.php%3Fmid%3Did.128849257257521%26id%3Ddba0a9589447dcfe0863c8156a855b8b%26metadata&access_token=1074859187%3AAQBzDaJp9yWfzAm1&title=gayhealth 

http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=481699

http://www.springerlink.com/content/r6q02560022h4276/?=eec723e2c1174d1eb9c1eef2d9fe6928&pi=6&MUD=MP

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9222793?dopt=Abstract

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007_docs/CameronHomosexualFootprint.pdf

Response to: Apologists for Murder and Infanticide Galore!

conformingtotheson:

This is the post Rey from several tumblr sites on here wrote up answering questions I posed after his continuous questions he sent to me. This will be my only response as I don’t see his arguments to be that severe (in fact, not at all) and are a waste of my time to answer. I respond then only to give him one more attempt from me to see the error of his reasoning and come to saving faith in Jesus Christ my Lord and my God.

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(Source: deconversionmovement)

When people begin religious movements, it’s often not until many generations later that people record things about them, but the fact is that we have better historical documentation for Jesus than for the founder of any ancient religion

- Edwin M. Yamauchi

Sorry Christians

chronic-trauma:

Hitler is your baggage.

a-dabundantiam

“Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.” 

“The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death…. When understanding of the universe has become widespread… Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity….”

“Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity…. And that’s why someday its structure will collapse….”

“…the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little….”

“Christianity <is> the liar….”

“We’ll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State.”

“The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.”

“Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer….”

“The decisive falsification of Jesus’ <who he asserts many times was never a Jew> doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work… for the purposes of personal exploitation….”

“Didn’t the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it’s in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea.”  

“Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery…. <here insults people who believe transubstantiation>….”

“When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let’s be the only people who are immunised against the disease.” 

“There is something very unhealthy about Christianity.”

“It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors— but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie.” 

“Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity…. My regret will have been that I couldn’t… behold <its demise>.”

“National Socialism and religion cannot exist together….”

“The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is  Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity….”

“Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things.”

-All Hitler.

(via chronic-trauma-deactivated20120)

Anonymous asked: About that Chinese thing.. yeah no.. isn't it weird how some English words, such as COCKSUCKER are combined using COCK and SUCKER? This is interesting because in AMERICA Christianity is the best right now, and so COCKSUCKER must have derived from Christianity. It all points to the same thing can't you open your eyes to God?!?!??!

  • You can’t compare our form of writing with their form of writing. There are grounded differences between the Chinese and English writing style, and system.

  • English uses an alphabetic writing system. An alphabetic writing system is one which uses individual letters each of which roughly corresponds to particular phonemes to “spell out” how words sound.
  • The Chinese uses a logographic writing system. A logographic system is a made up of a visual symbol or symbols, which represent words.

  • I’ll admit however I’m not sure If I understand you’re cock sucker reference. 


  • Thank you for the question. 

The Religion of atheism, by Matt Slick.

  1. Creed
    1. No God, anti-God, pro-homosexuality, anti-Christianity.
    2. Atheism is a belief.  I know that many atheists will disagree with this, but the atheists gathered around a common belief of no God, or lack of God, and the need to increase what they perceive as separation of church and state in America.
  2. Crisis
    1. Created a problem and offered a solution.  The problem was religious oppression in society with atheistic ideals as the solution.
  3. Assemblies
    1. Gathered in groups with meeting times.  Atheists don’t meet nearly as frequently as Christians do in their churches, but they do have state meetings, national meetings, and regular gatherings.
  4. Pulpit
    1. The lectern from which speeches were made, their ideas were promoted, and their reasons for their belief system were validated.
  5. Evangelistic
    1. The atheists sought converts to their cause.  They frequently spoke about getting the idea of atheism out into society, and to move people away from theism.
  6. Celebration over converts
    1. Rejoiced when converts to their belief system were announced.  There was applause and excitement when there were announcements about people who had “come out of the closet” and announced their atheism.
  7. Zealous for their cause
    1. They wanted their cause and belief system expanded to the extent of changing America to reflect their thinking.
  8. Exclusive
    1. Only they have the truth.  The atheists repeatedly spoke of how atheism was the truth, and that theists and deists were ignorant of facts and reason.
  9. Us against them mentality
    1. There was a profound description of the division between atheism and theism, with the atheists being the ones who were defending themselves against the intrusive theists.
  10. Concerned about public image
    1. This is normal.  They were very concerned with how they were perceived and wanted to change their negative reputation.
  11. Lack of critical thinking
    1. This is common everywhere.  Though they thought they were rational, by far most of the arguments and comments weren’t.
  12. Misrepresentation of opposing views
    1. Again, another common trait among people who gather in groups, have a common ideology, and see others as being less enlightened.
  13. Voting block
    1. The atheists mentioned voting as a group in order to progress their cause in society.
  14. Infighting
    1. This is normal for groups.  We don’t all see eye to eye.  But, they all held to atheism even though they had disagreements about some particulars.
  15. Money
    1. They didn’t have tithing, but there were plenty of things for sale.  And, let’s not forget to mention how they sought donations to help cover the costs of promoting atheism, paying speakers, renting facilities, etc.

  • people: Why do so many Christians deny scientific fact?
  • me: I'm pretty sure I went to public school much like everyone else. I even managed to get pretty good grades in science. Do you mean a few Christians?

Religious

I’m watched Bill Maher’s documentary Religious. He makes some very good points, but I have a lot of problems with his personal demeanor, behavior, and abruptness, also whenever he talks to someone who actually knows what their talking about he doesn’t feature them nearly as much time as the crazy zealots, and the out of touch people he interviews and cuts away in the middle of their thought, or just sorta interrupts and lectures them. Also Bill Maher spends the entire documentary  with the ones he tried to make look bad, that he didn’t meet with enough experts who could further his points. What, am I supposed to believe Bill Maher because he’s Bill Maher? I need peer review. The second problem is that the people he interviewed easily could of made fools of themselves without him cutting them off and lecturing them. He also doesn’t give people a chance to respond to his after thoughts, so he always gets the last word, always. I never really felt like the documentary was about what was wrong with religion, but what Bill thinks is wrong with religion, and everyone else should listen. Still he makes some goods points in the documentary that has a lot of merit that I would encourage anyone to watch despite Bill Maher’s Bill Maherness.

I do have to end with this if your christian who watches this, keep in mind

The Bible severely warns us not to trust humans, not even ourselves, and clergy/churches (Jer 10:2-5,23;Isaiah 2:22; Job 12:11; Prov 14:12; Acts 17:11). 

So don’t feel bad if you were seduced into thinking into a group think that perverts The Bible, Jesus, or God.